SANDER PLUG + LERNERT ENGELBERTS
	Sander Plug and Lernert Engelberts are a duo that like duos; we exchanged words with them to learn more about their piece made for children's television, Chocolade Haas. LUMEN ECLIPSE: How did you develop the idea for Chocolade Haas? SANDER PLUG + LERNERT ENGELBERTS: We were asked to participate in the television show 'Big Art for Small People' by the Dutch production company Cut 'n Paste. This series is for children from 2 to 6 years old and was shown in the morning by the broadcasting company KRO, in a slot that mainly showed dull parent-approved cartoons and stuff -- you probably know the kind: cartoons that are lacking any humor, rudeness, and paste like the ones on Nickelodeon, the ones parents expect will have a positive effect on their children. 20 artists made a 2'30'' film. We wanted to make something that taught children in a very indirect way that they can't and will not always get what they want. We deeply feel this generation is creating 'on demand-monsters,' a click-and-go generation at large, that later will expect to get everything, right here and right now. At least that is our experience with the young children in our surroundings. By showing something as desirable and cute as a chocolate-bunny and then melting it in front of their eyes, yet in such beautiful way and in an recognizable colorful esthetics borrowed from cartoons, we wanted to shock and shake them out of their state of comfort. LUMEN ECLIPSE: How did you make it technically? PLUG + ENGELBERTS: With three colorful background paper rolls, the right color spray paint, primer, the different props, and a car painting studio, we created the set for the shoot. We used 40 chocolate bunnies created by a famous Dutch pastry maker, and in mid summer, we started filming. What you see is what you get, with no after effects or digital adaptation. LUMEN ECLIPSE: Was the music composed specifically for this work? PLUG + ENGELBERTS: The music we used was a lullaby: a rather disturbing, somewhat Rosemary's-Baby-esque song, made by Nathan Larson, which was already used for the movie Palindromes. Initially we used it under our first draft as a reference of what we wanted an Amsterdam-based composer to create. But when she presented us her piece we found out we already got too used to the music of Larson, so we contacted him and asked if we could use his music instead. He approved, since it was an art film and in no way used in a commercial context. So to anyone out there making movies on a low-budget: most of the people you look up to are just one email away from you! We certainly think it was great that Nathan was so kind. LUMEN ECLIPSE: Are you very influenced by Dutch culture? PLUG + ENGELBERTS: Yes, very. LUMEN ECLIPSE: Are there any artists that you are excited by at the moment? PLUG + ENGELBERTS: Victor & Rolf, Gert Jonkers & Jop van Bennekom, Schumm & Blommers, Elmgreen & Dragset; basically any duo. LUMEN ECLIPSE: Would your neighbors appreciate your art? PLUG + ENGELBERTS: Oh my God, yes!!